Last winter Jeremiah wanted me to listen to his pan/shovel and see if I could tell what was making noise. The noise wasn't loud enough. I couldn't tell where it was coming from (sounded just a bit loose). I said it would have to get louder before I could pinpoint the problem. Well, it got louder ! This engine had multiple problems . . . so he wants to strip off the shovel top - and restore it to full Panhead . . . !