I see frames listed for sale (or add-on hard-heads) on craig's list and chopper swapper, that list them as " an Arlen Ness Frame " and I know it's not a Ness frame 'cause the gusset is ugly shaped, the tubes are huge . . . and Arlen would never made anything that looked like that ! My frame (above) has a genuine Ness hard-head, since Donnie Smith looked at it and told me it was real, since Arlen was meticulous about that front gusset, and it had to look a certain way and be a certain shape.